Curse

id0l · Nov 07, 2005, 09:12 AM // 09:12

A bit of testing leads me to believe that FW (+6/arrow) and RtW do not (unfortunatly) stack damage. Using RtW (at 15 marks - same as lvl 14 - giving +10/arrow) yeilded the same results as RtW + FW.

Can anyone else confirm this?

I did some testing outside Ascalon on the first few level 3 scorps you run in to (high chance for criticals and pretty constant max damage hits). I welcome friendly discussion and insight.

Yichi · Nov 07, 2005, 09:21 AM // 09:21

yes they stack. 2 of the main things needed for a good ranger spike

id0l · Nov 07, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

I know it is a favorable combo for a ranger spike (I use it myself). However, after reading a very interesting (and long) thread - I decided to test it for myself. Seems to me, that they do not in fact, stack. I'm looking for more of a solid answer than "yes they stack." Perhaps you could provide some proof to your reasoning? If required, I will try to supply screenshots if doubt it raised by too many people.

Yichi · Nov 07, 2005, 09:30 AM // 09:30

go to tombs and run with a ranger spike group. youll see in fact they do stack. Thats about my best advice. Everyone running a good ranger spike build in hoh will use read + favorable

id0l · Nov 07, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I'm not questioning whether or not HoH spike teams use the combo. I'm questioning whether or not they stack. You can just assume they do because everyone else assumes they do - but that doesn't make it correct.

Batou of Nine · Nov 07, 2005, 09:37 AM // 09:37

I would also like to see more people provide proof about this debate. I just read another thread about this, and people are saying it does stack, but no one offers any concrete evidence.

I also tested for a bit and it didnt seem to stack for me either. i tested on the Shatter Gargoyles that are all over the ruins right outside of Ascalon. Lvl 3 and 4 and many of them to test on. From what i observed it seemed i only gained dmg increase of ONE of those skills at any time. When recording my critical hits i compared to pure bow dmg, CAsting RtW, Casting FW, then Casting both RtW and FW. From this i saw that the dmg gain per critical seemed to only apply from RtW. <<< Hope that explanation was clear enough...

This all led me to believe that you only gain the highest amount of added dmg between RtW and FW. Since FW only adds +6dmg, it seemed that RtW dmg is the only one that applied.

Speed Stacking however, i have no idea how to test if that is working or not.

I will test again soon and try and provide clear concise numbers to explain my testing method....

EDIT:: Btw, this thread is in the wrong forum. Probably best in Strategy Discussion or Skill Discussion.

id0l · Nov 07, 2005, 09:50 AM // 09:50

The proof is in the screenshots. All hits vs. scorpion seemed to be max damage but not critical hits (criticals ~180). I did it a few times to be thorough.

Read the Wind by itself:

Again, for consistencies sake:

Now, Read the Wind and Favorable Winds "stacked":

Again, for consistencies sake:

(you may notice multiple screenshots taken on this one - yes, the darn scorp was evading my arrows)

id0l · Nov 07, 2005, 09:51 AM // 09:51

And of course, attributes whilst testing:

Seems to me that stacking RtW and FW doesn't actually do a whole lot in the stacking of damage department. You don't get the +6/arrow at all from FW. Pretty unfortunate. And, I'm not sure why, really. So, it seems the only benefit of using both is the 4x faster arrows (2x from RtW, 2x from FW). Bug or intentional, I do not know; but hopefully this enlightens the RtW + FW crowd.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

go to tombs and run with a ranger spike group. youll see in fact they do stack. Thats about my best advice. Everyone running a good ranger spike build in hoh will use read + favorable

If that is the case, it seems that all the "good ranger spike" groups are pretty wrong. Maybe they ought to rethink their builds to use Kindle Arrows instead, perhaps?

Questions? Comments? Debate? Flaming? Bring it on.

twicky_kid · Nov 07, 2005, 10:34 AM // 10:34

if it doesn't stack it should be fixed. its from 2 different sources and makes since it should stack.

id0l · Nov 07, 2005, 11:22 AM // 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by twicky_kid

if it doesn't stack it should be fixed. its from 2 different sources and makes since it should stack.

I agree, and I will probably be contacting Guild Wars supporting tomorrow (today -_-) regarding this issue, and pointing them to this thread.

Kais Unduli · Nov 07, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

go to tombs and run with a ranger spike group. youll see in fact they do stack. Thats about my best advice. Everyone running a good ranger spike build in hoh will use read + favorable

Wow, that's basically saying that they stack because you say so. I didn't know it was so easy.

And I've been wondering about this myself. Thanks for the heads up. However, will it work with Kindle Arrows?

Indian · Nov 07, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Yes They Stack!
Effects are wild as hell..

Batou of Nine · Nov 07, 2005, 06:40 PM // 18:40

^^LMAO!! LOL!!^^

Indian. Read Idol's last few posts and mine before that. What a crack-up. If you are truelly refuting me and id0l, at least offer PROOF! lol 2x!!

Indian · Nov 07, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

^^LMAO!! LOL!!^^

Indian. Read Idol's last few posts and mine before that. What a crack-up. If you are truelly refuting me and id0l, at least offer PROOF! lol 2x!!

OMG! lol
& these many days i used to think they stack
couldnt see images.. since im blockin images from photbucket..

lol i've been punk'd for over 2 months..

User Name · Nov 07, 2005, 07:03 PM // 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

go to tombs and run with a ranger spike group. youll see in fact they do stack. Thats about my best advice. Everyone running a good ranger spike build in hoh will use read + favorable

Conjure Flame + Kindle Arrows + Vamp Bow + Favorable is a better spike than Favorable + Read The Wind.

Mercury Angel · Nov 07, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Moved to Arcane Repository.

JYX · Nov 07, 2005, 11:19 PM // 23:19

So we're absolutely...100%...certain those skills don't stack?

...if so then...does the arrow at least fly faster with RtW and FW together than with just one of them.

Eonwe · Nov 07, 2005, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Read the Wind, Favorable Winds, and Winnowing all stack to my knowledge.

Quote:

Originally Posted by User Name

Conjure Flame + Kindle Arrows + Vamp Bow + Favorable is a better spike than Favorable + Read The Wind.

No, it isn't.

Batou of Nine · Nov 08, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

LOL! another "they stack cause i said they do" argument.

EDIT:: Even if it is "qualified" with a "to my knowledge" statement, it still does not offer anything beyond, yes it works, and no this doesnt work. Reputable forum reputation shouldn't mean a person is assumed as correct... I think the whole point of id0l's thread is to illicite further testing and present proofs from many different people in order to confirm or discard beliefs. Simple Yes and No's will not suffice.

Btw, Thank You Post #21...

Please refrain from these useless comments, i would like to see more ppl actually test and experiement to compare to id0l's findings. Since mine coincide & agree with his, i'd really like to see others test this ....

mr_boo · Nov 08, 2005, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

LOL! another "they stack cause i said they do" argument.

Please refrain from these useless comments, i would like to see more ppl actually test and experiement to compare to id0l's findings. Since mine coincide & agree with his, i'd really like to see others test this ....

There's a difference here...first Eonwe qualified his statement with "to my knowledge" and secondly, there is a high level of credibility the comes along with his posts.

Given that, I'm not saying that you or id0l are incorrect...give it time and others will eventually test it out and either support or refute your claim.